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For your information there are a lot of pages tagged with |class=NA when they should be |class=category. For example Category talk:High schools in Quebec. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:06, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
- That's my fault. I turned off a feature that sorted pages with class=na outside of the main talk space according to namespace. I've now turned it back on, so the categories and templates with class=na should automatically be resorted as class=category and class=template once the job queue next goes through. —Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 17:14, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
- If I may, I've reassessed all the items in the music project to correct the newly assigned NA. I thought it was part of Artic gnome's curiosity to see what was hiding in the mysterious NA-class. This nebulous class is where I previously ran into problems. I discovered the usage of Type= parameter by looking at other items in the Canada project. I don't know all the ins/out but, why don't you leave it as is and have a bot go through and assign the class properly? At the very least correct all the items which are not category class (that being the top offender)? Argolin (talk) 02:19, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
- As it is now, all of the templates, categories, and files that are marked class=na will be sorted according to their namespace into the right group (there are about 800 of them). Mainspace pages will still be in the NA category until they are fixed to class=redirect, class=dab, or class=list, as appropriate. Having the templates, categories, and files say "class=na" does not do any harm as long as they're still being sorted right. Nevertheless, if we want to get a bot to fix them all, we can do so by telling the bot to (for example) go through everything in the class=template category and replace "class=na" with "class=template" while skipping all pages without that string of text. As for the old "type" parameter, it no longer has any effect, but it likewise does no harm by being there. —Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 04:35, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
- Let me start by saying that your admission of "my fault" was a good thing: a eureka moment. As far as I know, there is no longer any ambiguity as to the classification of items in the music project. However, there is a harm in programming your way around it. It does a big disservice to the Canada project and to Wikipedia. Again, I started using the Type= parameter by looking elsewhere in the project unaware that the usage of this type parameter is in fact wrong. There is only 600-ish left (not 800) with the NA. I reassessed 50-ish music project + Portal:New France (which was criminal :) I had to leave the one other project as NA (I don't know!!). It's my belief that if a user has set something incorrectly, it's screaming for someone to look at and correct (not via a programming work-around; there are other issues to correct). As I posted in a previous thread, I am quite willing to work to fix these issues. Argolin (talk) 05:52, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
- If there are people out there willing to re-tag all of the class=na pages, then I'm happy to turn the feature back off. Before I put the job queue back to work, I'll give people a couple days to make any arguments for the status quo. —Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 06:35, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
- We have two class=NA left that I don't know what to do with. Talk:Tillicum/List of potential Tillicum related topics exists but it's article page has been deleted? User:Mrjeremister/50th Battalion Canadian Expeditionary Forces looks like an article, reads like an article, but is it a sandbox page? Argolin (talk) 04:59, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Removal of duplicate banner templates
Is there anyone out there that can provide a listing of mainspace items with dupliate Canada banners? I've come across this one today Talk:Hamlets of Saskatchewan (corected) and this one yesterday Talk:Alberta Federation of Labour. We have one in the music project Talk:Canadian rock. The first two articles were found as part of the class=Redirect and class=NA template enhancements. I'd like a bot to help, but I'd also like to hear from others. Argolin (talk) 03:11, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
- I can't think of a way that you can find pages using both, but you can find all of the pages using a banner using the "what links here" special page. You can find the 602 pages using the Saskatchewan template at Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:SKCNproject. All of the random one's I've checked have been doubled-up, so we can start removing those. Once they are all gone, we can delete the original template. —Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 07:31, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
- AG, my concern is that wiki is doubling the stats. It will if (for example differences exist between class/importance) the first instance of Wikiproject Canada includes the music project and the second includes the province projects.
- For your Saskatchewan undertaking, are removing the extra banner template manually or with a bot? I went through the Toronto project and assigned any class=template to the Canada project (and multiple subs). I think a bot may be able to handle some of the other namespace items. Specifically image class (most in the TO project have the NA assigned lol!). You've used bots before? Argolin (talk) 04:47, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
- I haven't started on the Saskatchewan template yet; it will probably be my next task after I get rid of the importance=NA lists. I've made some Bot requests before for assessments here, those people are very helpful. I've also used AutoWikiBrowser, which isn't exactly a bot, but it sets up repetitive edits for you so all you have to do is click "save" on every page. Unfortunately, I can't use that one right now because I don't have access to a Windows computer anymore. —Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 06:48, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks I forgot all about the AWB. Argolin (talk) 07:30, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Removal of sub project templates
I have not yet seen any definitive statement regarding the non-use of any of Canada's sub project templates. Has there been an archived version? Anyway, most of Canada's sub projects do not provide an example of the proper usage of Canada's banner template. Examples are Wikipedia:WikiProject Toronto which claims parentage of Wikipedia:WikiProject Canadian communities??? The offending template being {{WikiProject Toronto}}. Wikipedia:WikiProject Ottawa claims parentage of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Cities??? It's offending template is {{ottawaproject}}. Ottawa and Toronto are not alone. A plauge on all your houses.... lol. Argolin (talk) 05:19, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
- The city projects are much newer additions to the template. When we added sub-projects like government and the provinces we made an effort to get rid of the old templates. However, in the case of the city templates, some people prefer the old ones on some articles, and there are a couple cases where it works better (such as when a photo-needed tag is used for both Canadian music and the city). In almost all cases, however, the city and Canada templates can be merged to save space with no loss of content, so feel free to merge them wherever you see fit. —Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 06:07, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Taskforce text
- Retrieved from archive.
The default text for the taskforce includes a link to the importance category. (See the three territories taskforces.) What do people think of that compared to the four cities which are bold and unlinked? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:45, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
- I prefer bolded text, if you add linkage to the category through the bolded text, it would combine both features. 70.29.208.247 (talk) 23:16, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
- But isn't the most relevant fact the name of the task force (which is emboldened on this version) rather than the assigned importance? The problem with using non-default text here is that the importance is not normalised. For example it is possible to to this:
Banner removed, because now it has been fixed.
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- It just prints whatever you type even if it's nonsense. The default text uses the normalised importance rating and it is not very easy or efficient to do this separately for every taskforce. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:03, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
- If we can show the importance ratings in the default text, then I see no reason for us to use our own. —Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 22:58, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
- I've switched to the default text for the 4 subprojects which are using their own importance ratings. The reason the default is not used for all is that the same importance rating would be dupicated on every line. (See a discussion I had with User:Mindmatrix about this last year.) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:54, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
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- Semi-related: I thought there is one Territory WikiProject. The Canada banner has one task force: Kawartha Lakes task force.??? Argolin (talk) 01:07, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
- There is, but the icon and portal change depending on which parameter (nt, yt or nu) is used. So I thought it would be simpler to set them up as separately. Theoretically you shouldn't get more than one appearing at a time. The Kawartha Lakes was set up after this request. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 04:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not critising you, the banner, etc.. This is the place I come to view proper syntax and would expect to see all items on the banner template. I'm just trying to keep all the nomenclature straight: the main project is WPCanada, sub projects are music=yes, on=yes, riding=yes, etc (any assignment of "=" generally placed after the class= and importance= assignments). Taskforces can be responsible to a project or multiple projects. Argolin (talk) 06:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
- Here's another 2 cents: I like the two letter assignments for prov/terr. It matches what Canada post uses (I always use qc (pq is English?); sometimes I forget that nf is wrong its nl). There is a treaty in place in that the 50+ States and 13 Canadian jurisdictions each have unique two digit assignments. Argolin (talk) 06:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
I've been working on a system of "inherited importance" in the meta-template where task forces can inherit the overall importance if they are not assigned an individual importance. This is now deployed and there is a version in the sandbox (diff) which uses this feature. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:17, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
